tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post878980671339663173..comments2023-09-09T17:41:33.146+03:00Comments on HISTOLOGION: taloshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13680864841710474232noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-57798784054445776552007-07-24T19:53:00.000+03:002007-07-24T19:53:00.000+03:00That's a damn good post, very comprehensive accoun...That's a damn good post, very comprehensive account of the role of police. Someone should pick a few good examples and stick this on a leaflet.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08509096390836282563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-38649437440042661702007-06-28T22:00:00.000+03:002007-06-28T22:00:00.000+03:00Hi Talos!Undercover policemen I have no doubt of.U...Hi Talos!<BR/><BR/>Undercover policemen I have no doubt of.<BR/><BR/>Undercover policemen acting as agents provocateurs... maybe. Could be. I'd like to see stronger evidence, though. <BR/><BR/>More broadly, I'm pretty weary of the endless protesting at G-8 summits. Not talking about the violence, either. These things are not only accomplishing nothing; they are, from the progressive POV, actively unhelpful. This isn't 1968 or even 1989. New tactics are called for.<BR/><BR/>Grossman is reporting on actual events, but you'll notice the piece makes him sound like a first-hand close-up eyewitness to the scuffle. At age 79? Perhaps.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"VG would have a credibility issue if he suddenly became an CDU or SPD cadre."<BR/><BR/>Umm. The guy spent 40 years as a propagandist and apologist for the DDR. He could shave his head, convert to Buddhism and spend his days following the Dalai Lama around barefoot and he'd still have a credibility issue. 40 years of lies and lying: that's a hard habit to break.<BR/><BR/>"it would be a worthwhile effort to track the evolution of CP cadres all over the Eastern Block. I'd wager that the majority has not turned left libertarian by any means..."<BR/><BR/>Indeed not. Broadly speaking, the left-libertarian strain is common only in the more developed parts of the former Communist world -- former DDR, Hungary, Slovenia, places like that. For the rest of Eastern Europe, and almost all the former USSR, the standard transitions were Brezhnevite leader -> authoritarian nationalist and Brezhnevite nomenklatura -> crony capitalist. <BR/><BR/>The result was that in most places the same cadres stayed in power, with very little change. In fact, things got rather worse, since the former cadres now had not only control of the means of production, but legal ownership as well, and were no longer restrained by a veneer of Socialist decorum. The story of Eastern Europe since 1989 is to a great extent the story of the struggle to restrain or domesticate these savage elites.<BR/><BR/>Anyway. Victor, writes a nice para, but I wouldn't trust him to go down to the store and bring back change. I've spent too much time around former nomenklatura.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug M>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-73724754744556109542007-06-28T15:59:00.000+03:002007-06-28T15:59:00.000+03:00Hi Doug!Grossman is reporting on actual events tha...Hi Doug!<BR/><BR/>Grossman is reporting on actual events that took place around Rostok (documented all over the web - see <A HREF="http://de.indymedia.org/2007/06/180186.shtml" REL="nofollow">here</A> for example). So the fact that he was a GDR apologist is kind of irrelevant : either the police showed up all dressed in black slpknot t-shirts and hoods or they didn't and the evidence is that they did. As for VG his is an interesting story. And I'm not sure about "reinventing" himself as left-libertarian: but anyway it's not that there are many options for people of his generation. They have to reinvent themselves somehow - reassess their lives. Some don't and some do. Among the latter some find political positions in the big parties and some look leftwards. VG would have a credibility issue if he suddenly became an CDU or SPD cadre. Which would allow him to persist in a modified stalinism that would continue to celebrate breaking protestors' heads and the cult of economism in a different guise. In fact it would be a worthwhile effort to track the evolution of CP cadres all over the Eastern Block. I'd wager that the majority has not turned left libertarian by any means...taloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13680864841710474232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-425074605655451362007-06-28T12:31:00.000+03:002007-06-28T12:31:00.000+03:00Victor Grossman is still alive?[googles]Well, damn...Victor Grossman is still alive?<BR/><BR/>[googles]<BR/><BR/>Well, damn. He's 79 years old, but still kicking.<BR/><BR/>-- I don't find the first linked article very compelling. Grossman is a wonderful writer, but he has, shall we say, credibility issues. This is Eric Honecker's "court jester" we're talking about.<BR/><BR/>In the generation after WWII, we saw a lot of former fascists reinvent themselves as "legitimate" conservative anti-Communist nationalists. In the generation after 1989, we're seeing a lot of former Brezhnevites reinvent themselves as left-libertarian anti-globalists. Plus ca change.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-9607209819622181312007-06-26T18:56:00.000+03:002007-06-26T18:56:00.000+03:00Renegade Eye: Thanks for the reference and good lu...Renegade Eye: Thanks for the reference and good luck (or should I say courage) at the RNC demo.<BR/>(note that I'm not a journalist - just a politically active citizen) <BR/><BR/>John Brown: The interesting part is that this sort of "infiltrate and entrap", although quite probably illegal in most countries, is so widespread as a practice that one can imagine it being some sort of "international" police procedure. There are quite obvious reasons for this. And the "honest" black-blockers should at some point take note that the police often would have to invent them if they weren't there (as they indeed do).taloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13680864841710474232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-31611300485602736742007-06-26T18:13:00.000+03:002007-06-26T18:13:00.000+03:00Great post.Extremely comprehensive. The connectio...Great post.<BR/><BR/>Extremely comprehensive. The connection between police infiltration of protests and their use of entrapment in "terrorism" cases shows how raw their tactics are.John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01515280071887632569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-74470912833479964822007-06-26T02:40:00.000+03:002007-06-26T02:40:00.000+03:00I'm doing a post, linking to this post.I'm doing a post, linking to this post.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5657459.post-35238311080153159832007-06-20T05:23:00.000+03:002007-06-20T05:23:00.000+03:00Thank you for this post.The Republican Party will ...Thank you for this post.<BR/><BR/>The Republican Party will be having its convention near where I live. There may be 100,000 protesters there if the war in Iraq is hot.<BR/><BR/>I will send this post for my comrades to read. What you are writing is not a new idea, but it presents what we know in a good way.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.com